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| colspan="3" |[https://souterraine.ffessm.fr/uploads/media/docs/0001/11/a3f876aba3d29988223610beed2cedb3082c5246.pdf Nitrox, Trimix]
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==Cave Instructor==
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!Organisation
! colspan="3" |[http://www.swiss-cave-diving.ch/frame_set.html Swiss Cave DIving]
! colspan="3" |[https://souterraine.ffessm.fr/ FFESSM CNPS]
! colspan="3" |[https://ffspeleo.fr/efps-formation-pratiquant.html FSS EFPS]
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!CDI 2
!CDI 3
!FPS1
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|CDI 1
for 1 Y
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fir 2 Y
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* 10 Z2
* 10 Z2 DL
* 5 Z3 DL
* 5 Z3 40 m
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* 20 Z2
* 5 Z2 DL
* 15 Z3
* 5 Z3 DL
* 5 Z3 40 m DL
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* 80 Z2
* 15 Z3
* 5 Z3 40 m
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* 10 Z3
* 5 speleo
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Revision as of 16:41, 4 July 2025

Cave Diver

Organisation Swiss Cave DIving IANTD (Sulawesi Dive Trek) ? ( Stratis Kas) TDI (SubSport) FFESSM CNPS FSS EFPS
Level HT 1 HT 2 HT 3 Cavern Intro Full Cavern Intro Full Cavern Intro Full PS1 PS2 PS3 –
Unsupervised ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✖️ ✓
Max penetration 50 m, day – day – 60 m, day – 60 m, day – 90 min total –
MOD 20 m 30 m 40 m END 39 m 40 m 40 m 40 m –
Visibility min 10 m 3 m –
Gas limit 1/3 1/3 1/3 1/3 1/4
Deco ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✖️ 30 min ✖️ ✓ 30 min ✓
Cave limitations
T ✖️ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✓
Jumps ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✓
Gaps ✖️ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✓
Restrictions ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✓
Circuit, traverses ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✓ ✓
Siphon ✖️ ✓ no multisiphon ✓
Entry requirements
Min certification Rescue Dive leader Advanced Advanced P2 N2 N3 skills
Min open dives 25 50 100 10 30 50 30 20 – 25 – (15) (20) – –
Min night dives 5 10 20 – – – – –
Min overhead dives – 4 (2 sites) 8 (4 sites) – 10 – 10 – – 20 (3 sites) 40 (6 sites) –
Specifications – – 500 min – – 6 Z3, 2 multi –
Course
Theory, hours 4 to 6 6 to 8 8 to 12 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x
Dry practice 0.5 day 0.5 day 0.5 day
Open dives 2 4 (2 sites) 4 (2 sites) 1 1 1 – 1 1 1 –
Overhead dives 4 (2 sites) 6 (3 sites) 8 (4 sites) 4 4 8 3 6 4 4 (2 sites) 4 (2 sites) 8 (3 sites) 1+3 as many 2-4 day perfecting courses as needed as needed
Bottom time 100 min (200) 100 min (200) 400 min 60 to 90 min together 90 to 120 min 80 min 100 min 240 min
Minimum days 2.5 3.5 5.5 4 4 5 3 5 4 2 2 4 3
Total to cave level 3
Course days 11.5 13 12 8 4 + as needed
Overhead dives 18 (4 sites) + 12 16 + 10 13 + 10 16 (3 sites) + 0 40 (6 sites, min 2 multisiphon)
Costs
CHF 590 1045+ 1650 865 865 1080 575 905 905 450 400 750 230 as needed
Total CHF 3285 incl. services 2810 2385 1600
Per guided OH 182.50 175.60 183.45 100.00
Specialities
Courses Stage, SM, Mapping, DPV Tec, DPV, SM, Stage/Multi, Survey Stage, Multi-Stage, DPV Tec, SM, Stage, DPV, Survey Nitrox, Trimix

Cave Instructor

Organisation Swiss Cave DIving FFESSM CNPS FSS EFPS
Level CDI 1 CDI 2 CDI 3 FPS1 FPS2 FPS3 Init Monit Instr
Age 20 25 30
Membership 1 Y 2 Y 5 Y
Min certification I1

active

I2

active

N3 N4
Min overhead HT 3

for 1 Y

CDI 1

for 1 Y

CDI 2

fir 2 Y

PS3 + Nx FPS 1

for 1 Y

FPS 2

for 3 Y

Min open dives 200 300 500 –
Min caves 10 15 20 10 25 –
Min overhead dives 50 100 200 60 100 –
Specifications
  • 10 Z2
  • 10 Z2 DL
  • 5 Z3 DL
  • 5 Z3 40 m
  • 20 Z2
  • 5 Z2 DL
  • 15 Z3
  • 5 Z3 DL
  • 5 Z3 40 m DL
  • 80 Z2
  • 15 Z3
  • 5 Z3 40 m
  • 10 Z3
  • 5 speleo
  • 10 speleo
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Recommended vertical climbing

Line

GUE SCD IANTD TDI FFESSM FFS Now
SMB spool 30 m – 30 m flat
Safety spool 45 m 50 m 45 m white stuck
Jump spool 23 m 30 m 26 m green
Gap spool – 15 m
Primary reel 45 m 80 m 228 m
Exploration reel – > 100 m

Line

GUE SCD IANTD TDI FFESSM FFS Now
SMB spool 30 m – 30 m flat
Safety spool 45 m 50 m 45 m white stuck
Jump spool 23 m 30 m 26 m green
Gap spool – 15 m
Primary reel 45 m 80 m 228 m
Exploration reel – > 100 m
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