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Revision as of 00:19, 22 May 2025

Background

1997

  • April. First recreational dive in Lake Geneva. Over two years, I will do 80 dives, most in the lake.

2023

  • October. Resuming diving during a retreat in Indonesia. I switch to sidemount and deco, and discover the Coral Triangle.
  • November. A video of Robin Cuesta in Sulawesi caves inspires me to get into cave diving.
  • December. Exceptional 100th dive in Thailand, where I am surrounded by thousands Great Barracudas.

2024

  • January. I order the books from Stratis Kas where renown divers provide insights into cave training and incidents.
  • March. I plan a full cave training in Sulawesi in June, and propose to build a research collaboration with the Nixie expedition.
  • April. Back to the lake with my new sidemount equipment, I am confronted with many challenges: my old dry suit is leaking and the setup needs a lot of adjustments, which adds to the skills I need to acquire to become a dive leader. I need practice!
  • May. I decide to postpone the cave training as I do not feel ready, and I did not get the support for my research.
  • October. My most stressful dive, navigating into a milky cloud with maybe 30 cm visibilty for 15 minutes.
  • November. Back to South East Asia, where I discover freediving.

2025

Beyond my intention to plan trainings with the instructors mentioned, various openings emerge to practice in 2025. This bring me to reflect that gathering practices in different settings may be more important at the beginning of the curriculum, than finding the best training. I will be able to improve my practice and get training with the instructors I identified as my practice develops.

  • March. I join the Swiss Cave Diving association. Invited in Southern France to build a community, I explore cave diving possibilities, and have twice the chance to get trained with the French Federation. I particularly appreciate the approach based on companionship, which directly starts in cavse.
  • April. I get certified as FFESSM Cave Diver 1 (PS1).

Training comparison

Personal comparison without warrantee. Please contact me to propose improvements. :)

Organisation Swiss Cave DIving IANTD (Sulawesi Dive Trek) ? ( Stratis Kas) TDI (SubSport) FFESSM CNPS FSS EFPS
Level HT 1 HT 2 HT 3 Cavern Intro Full Cavern Intro Full Cavern Intro Full PS1 PS2 PS3 –
Unsupervised ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✖️ ✓
Max penetration 50 m, day – day – 60 m, day – 60 m, day – 90 min total –
MOD 20 m 30 m 40 m END 39 m 40 m 40 m 40 m –
Visibility min 10 m 3 m –
Gas limit 1/3 1/3 1/3 1/3 1/4
Deco ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✖️ 30 min ✖️ ✓ 30 min ✓
Cave limitations
T ✖️ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✖️ ✓
Jumps ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✓ ✖️ ✓
Gaps ✖️ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✖️ ✓
Restrictions ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✓
Circuit, traverses ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✖️ ✓ ✓
Siphon ✖️ ✓ no multisiphon ✓
Entry requirements
Min certification Rescue Dive leader Advanced Advanced P2 N2 N3 skills
Min open dives 25 50 100 10 30 50 30 20 – 25 – (15) (20) – –
Min night dives 5 10 20 – – – – –
Min overhead dives – 4 (2 sites) 8 (4 sites) – 10 – 10 – – 20 (3 sites) 40 (6 sites) –
Specifications – – 500 min – – 6 Z3, 2 multi –
Course
Theory, hours 4 to 6 6 to 8 8 to 12 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x
Dry practice 0.5 day 0.5 day 0.5 day
Open dives 2 4 (2 sites) 4 (2 sites) 1 1 1 – 1 1 1 –
Overhead dives 4 (2 sites) 6 (3 sites) 8 (4 sites) 4 4 8 3 6 4 4 (2 sites) 4 (2 sites) 8 (3 sites) 1+3 as many 2-4 day perfecting courses as needed
Bottom time 100 min (200) 100 min (200) 400 min 60 to 90 min together 90 to 120 min 80 min 100 min 240 min
Minimum days 2.5 3.5 5.5 4 4 5 3 5 4 2 2 4 3
Total to cave level 3
Course days 11.5 13 12 8 4 + as needed
Overhead dives 30 (4 sites) 26 23 16 (3 sites) 40 (6 sites, min 2 multisiphon)
Costs
CHF 590 1045+ 1650 865 865 1080 575 905 905 450 400 750 230 as needed
Total CHF 3285 2810 2385 1600
Specialities
Courses Stage, SM, Mapping, DPV Tec, DPV, SM, Stage/Multi, Survey Stage, Multi-Stage, DPV Tec, SM, Stage, DPV, Survey Nitrox, Trimix
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